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  1. RE: [CALBIRDS] Are Regional/County Listservs Still Relevant? [a bit long] LINK
    DATE: Jan 19, 2018 @ 3:03pm, 1 day(s) ago
    Or, instead of contacting the person, who may be already frustrated, display the name of the reviewer on the checklist and contact him or her about ID or other issues on the list (reviewer contacts are broadly available). The reviewer, who is more experienced, ‘thicker-skinned’ and has already gone over the list, will be accountable for the final appearance of the list unless some provision is communicated that issues on the list are pending a response from the list owner. When this requirement is filled the list is no longer under provision.
    
    Geoffrey L. Rogers
    
    San Diego, CA
    
    From: CALBIRDS@yahoogroups.com [mailto: CALBIRDS@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of kyri@... [CALBIRDS]
    
    Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 9:19 PM
    
    To: CALBIRDS@yahoogroups.com
    
    Cc: Anonymous Freeman; CALBIRDS; Jim Lomax; Brian Sullivan; Bruce Barrett; Gjon Hazard
    
    Subject: Re: [CALBIRDS] Are Regional/County Listservs Still Relevant [a bit long]
    
    In terms of contacting the person: in a very quick survey on eBird, you
    
    are correct; clicking on a checklist gets you some personal information
    
    but not a way to contact the person. Is there a role for commenting on
    
    eBird, or would that open a whole can of worms I'm not sure.
    
    The exact location: That's not a good job of reporting if they didn't
    
    specify clearly where the bird was.
    
    In terms of standard for eBird reports, what would be helpful to me is
    
    some kind of rubric. What level of detail is requested (or does it
    
    absolutely have to be a photo) for a rare, unseasonal, or otherwise
    
    perhaps questionable species What data do the reviewers want to see I
    
    want a high standard of data to be upheld. But I would hope the reporting
    
    that is expected is the same for everyone.
    
    So, to make a long post a bit shorter, what about having a linked rubric,
    
    perhaps individualized by county, clarifying exactly what is expected of
    
    rare/unusual reports That would be helpful and would reduce any
    
    appearance of inequity.
    
    Kyri Freeman
    
    Barstow, CA
    
    > 1. The mechanism for this may exist, but I'm not aware of it: sometimes I
    
    > want to ask one of the people who have entered a bird into eBird for some
    
    > information. The specific information might be different things at
    
    > different times, but there's always a good reason why. However, there are
    
    > all these people who enter sightings into eBird, who I have never heard of
    
    > in my life. I do not have contact information for them, so I can't ask
    
    > them
    
    > where exactly in that 200-acre park they saw the bird I'm interested in.
    
    > 2.Typically the information about that I am seeking is hidden underneath a
    
    > pile of 30 entries in which 29 of the observers wrote "continuing.." Then,
    
    > when I write an email to the appropriate email list asking for specifics,
    
    > I
    
    > always get the one email that says "the info is there on eBird." The
    
    > assumption is that I am lazy, and didn't do my homework.
    
    > 3. "I am, however, extremely frustrated with the eBird reviewer unspoken
    
    > requirement that one must have an expensive camera or be a member of the
    
    > local ruling cabal to have records of anything even very slightly out of
    
    > the ordinary accepted."
    
    > Kyrie, a lot of us have had that bad experience. This is a major
    
    > frustration that I have with eBird: sure, there are some incredibly
    
    > competent and thoughtful people like Kimball Garrett, and I'm not saying
    
    > that to kiss up to him, who are reliable and very good at teaching (why
    
    > your bird is not this species, but the other species). But what about when
    
    > you are dealing with an eBird editor who makes up their own rules There
    
    > is
    
    > no appeals process that I'm aware of. If there is, please let me know
    
    > about
    
    > it. This is actually a big problem. I have had a couple of different
    
    > people
    
    > who have eBird authority make some incredibly unscientific, and let's be
    
    > honest, unprofessional statements to me (while stuck in traffic I have
    
    > composed a long angry emails to them letting them know how dumb they are,
    
    > but never actually bothered to sit down and type these rants). In my job
    
    > if
    
    > I made these types of statements that they make, the crowd of people in
    
    > the
    
    > room with me who all have science degrees would drag me out to the parking
    
    > lot and beat me senseless. I appreciate that there is a vigorous attempt
    
    > to
    
    > apply scientific rigor to this process, but in that case perhaps there
    
    > should be restriction that only people with degrees in biology or physics
    
    > (wink, wink, nudge, nudge) or chemistry are allowed to be eBird editors.
    
    > If
    
    > you think this is a baseless rant, contact me offline and I will tell you
    
    > some stories that will make your hair spontaneously catch on fire.
    
    > Tom Miko
    
    > LA County
    
    > Claremont at night, somewhere in traffic during the day.
    
    > 909.241.3300
    
    >
    
    >
    
    > On Jan 16, 2018 10:11 PM, " kyri@... [CALBIRDS] " <
    
    > CALBIRDS-noreply@yahoogroups.com > wrote:
    
    >
    
    >>
    
    >>
    
    >> My .02:
    
    >>
    
    >> I am in favor of all sorts of information. More, not less. Different
    
    >> formats work for different people. I find the search function of eBird
    
    >> more helpful than Yahoo groups, but I also find the phone app clunky and
    
    >> prefer to take written field notes and do my eBird report later. When it
    
    >> comes to information, as long as accuracy is there, I think variety is
    
    >> good.
    
    >>
    
    >> I find that listservs often are overly censorious when dealing with
    
    >> newbies and newcomers to specific areas. It is possible, in theory, to
    
    >> correct an error without making the person never, ever want to report a
    
    >> bird again.
    
    >>
    
    >> I am, however, extremely frustrated with the eBird reviewer unspoken
    
    >> requirement that one must have an expensive camera or be a member of the
    
    >> local ruling cabal to have records of anything even very slightly out of
    
    >> the ordinary accepted.
    
    >>
    
    >> Kyri Freeman
    
    >> Barstow, CA
    
    >>
    
    >> > Do not eliminate the list-serves and improve the quality of eBirds. I
    
    >> am
    
    >> > not in favor of eBird reviewers being forced to accept photo records
    
    >> when
    
    >> > they cannot confirm those photos were even taken in the location in
    
    >> the
    
    >> > record. If they question the submitter and there is no response that
    
    >> > record should be eliminated. We should never replace the state record
    
    >> > committees under any circumstances.
    
    >> > Leonie Batkin
    
    >> >
    
    >> > Sent from my iPhone
    
    >> >
    
    >> >> On Jan 16, 2018, at 7:15 PM, Jim Lomax sdrib@... [CALBIRDS]
    
    >> >> < CALBIRDS-noreply@yahoogroups.com > wrote:
    
    >> >>
    
    >> >> The question is: Should ebird replace the California Records
    
    >> Committee
    
    >> >> The answer is firmly NO.
    
    >> >>
    
    >> >>
    
    >> >> All this other discussion is nice and I’m glad things are
    
    >> improving. I
    
    >> >> hope it works out.
    
    >> >>
    
    >> >> Jim
    
    >> >>
    
    >> >>> On Jan 16, 2018, at 7:08 PM, Brian Sullivan < heraldpetrel@... >
    
    >> >>> wrote:
    
    >> >>>
    
    >> >>> Hi All,
    
    >> >>>
    
    >> >>> As someone who has worked closely with the eBird team since 2005, I
    
    >> can
    
    >> >>> assure you that we, and everyone at the Lab, greatly value the work
    
    >> >>> done by regional bird records committees. The stringent review
    
    >> process
    
    >> >>> employed by records committees is perfect for consideration of very
    
    >> >>> important records, and eBird policy is to adhere to these finalized
    
    >> >>> decisions. The bird records committee process is also highly
    
    >> valuable
    
    >> >>> in situations where the details and evidence aren't exactly a 'slam
    
    >> >>> dunk', and a more thoughtful and careful committee-based review
    
    >> >>> decision is necessary. If there are great photos of an easily
    
    >> >>> identified rarity (e.g., adult Ross's Gull etc.), eBird
    
    >> provisionally
    
    >> >>> accepts the record pending formal acceptance by the relevant bird
    
    >> >>> records committee. This allows the information to get out there in a
    
    >> >>> broader way to the community of people looking to eBird for rare
    
    >> bird
    
    >> >>> information.. eBird's nearly 3000 global data reviewers work
    
    >> tirelessly
    
    >> >>> and often thanklessly on a volunteer basis. We greatly appreciate
    
    >> all
    
    >> >>> their hard work, input, and commitment to the project--without them,
    
    >> >>> eBird would cease to exist..
    
    >> >>>
    
    >> >>> One thing worth pointing out is that the eBird review process is
    
    >> always
    
    >> >>> evolving, and hopefully becoming more refined over time. It strives
    
    >> to
    
    >> >>> achieve a high level of accuracy in the data while balancing a
    
    >> number
    
    >> >>> of other considerations, not least of which being scale and
    
    >> usability..
    
    >> >>> With more than 10 million records a month passing through eBird, the
    
    >> >>> time is near for a complete overhaul of the way the review process
    
    >> >>> works. Look for continued improvements in the next 12-18 months on
    
    >> this
    
    >> >>> front. For now, you can read about how the review process works on
    
    >> >>> eBird here:
    
    >> >>>
    
    >> >>> http://help.ebird.org/customer/portal/articles/1055676
    
    >> >>>
    
    >> >>> It ain't perfect, that's for sure. But we're working to improve it
    
    >> >>> every day.
    
    >> >>>
    
    >> >>> Thanks
    
    >> >>>
    
    >> >>> Brian
    
    >> >>>
    
    >> >>>> On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 6:40 PM, Bruce Barrett coddler@...
    
    >> >>>> [CALBIRDS] < CALBIRDS-noreply@yahoogroups.com > wrote:
    
    >> >>>>
    
    >> >>>>
    
    >> >>>> Perhaps you are mixing two objectives Jim.
    
    >> >>>>
    
    >> >>>> Long-term accuracy: The eBird review system aims at producing the
    
    >> same
    
    >> >>>> clean data-base of rare sightings that any RBC strives for..
    
    >> >>>>
    
    >> >>>> Put another way, and putting the is it "countable" issue to one
    
    >> side,
    
    >> >>>> what does the average RBC provide that a well-reviewed eBird does
    
    >> not
    
    >> >>>> - or could not - especially if each RBC member put the same amount
    
    >> of
    
    >> >>>> time into reviewing eBird sightings
    
    >> >>>>
    
    >> >>>> Front-end Speed: In the meantime, let's get the information out as
    
    >> >>>> fast as possible - warts and all. Surely one accurate and fast
    
    >> >>>> Tropical Parula report is worth a lot of noise that must be
    
    >> >>>> subsequently cleaned out.
    
    >> >>>>
    
    >> >>>> I suggest that the very same unfiltered front-end that allows the
    
    >> >>>> noise also encourages everyone to submit their rare bird sightings
    
    >> >>>> faster and more frequently than most of us ever do to the RBC.
    
    >> Indeed,
    
    >> >>>> every California RBC report seems to contain notes of sightings for
    
    >> >>>> which they have not received a single report. I'm willing to bet
    
    >> that
    
    >> >>>> on eBird the average rare bird gets a lot more data submitted than
    
    >> >>>> ever gets sent to the RBC, so there is a lot more evidence for the
    
    >> >>>> reviewers to consider.
    
    >> >>>>
    
    >> >>>> It has been noted that not everyone is yet a member of eBird. OK,
    
    >> so
    
    >> >>>> until eBird is truly universal, provide an RBC-like portal - just
    
    >> to
    
    >> >>>> capture their reports.
    
    >> >>>>
    
    >> >>>> Another benefit of migrating RBC's to eBird is that eBird provides
    
    >> a
    
    >> >>>> degree of national consistency, for example, in the treatment of
    
    >> >>>> introduced birds, information required for inclusion, data base
    
    >> >>>> management, etc.
    
    >> >>>>
    
    >> >>>> eBird is by no means perfect, so pointing out where it currently
    
    >> does
    
    >> >>>> not fully replace RBC's is fair game, but surely it should/can be
    
    >> >>>> adjusted.
    
    >> >>>>
    
    >> >>>> Bruce Barrett
    
    >> >>>> San Jose, CA
    
    >> >>>>
    
    >> >>>>
    
    >> >>>>
    
    >> >>>>> On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 6:02 PM, Jim Lomax sdrib@...
    
    >> >>>>> [CALBIRDS] < CALBIRDS-noreply@yahoogroups.com > wrote:
    
    >> >>>>>
    
    >> >>>>> Considering the huge number of erroneous ebird reports, some even
    
    >> >>>>> documented with photos, from people either too lazy or
    
    >> don’t care
    
    >> >>>>> enough to study a bird guide but don’t mind asking for
    
    >> someone else
    
    >> >>>>> to identify their birds, I think having a panel of knowledgeable
    
    >> >>>>> people to sort through all the “claims" would keep the
    
    >> birding in
    
    >> >>>>> California a lot more credible than ebird.
    
    >> >>>>>
    
    >> >>>>>
    
    >> >>>>> Jim Lomax
    
    >> >>>>> From No Particular Place
    
    >> >>>>>
    
    >> >>>>>
    
    >> >>>>>
    
    >> >>>>>> On Jan 16, 2018, at 5:41 PM, Gjon Hazard gjon_hazard@...
    
    >> >>>>>> [CALBIRDS] < CALBIRDS-noreply@yahoogroups.com > wrote:
    
    >> >>>>>>
    
    >> >>>>>> At the risk of being branded a heretic (again), I wonder if Bird
    
    >> >>>>>> Records Committees are still relevant in the age of eBird
    
    >> >>>>>>
    
    >> >>>>>> -Gjon
    
    >> >>>>>> San Diego County
    
    >> >>>>>>
    
    >> >>
    
    >> >>
    
    >> >
    
    >>
    
    >> --
    
    >> My dark fantasy and historical fiction novels are available for Kindle
    
    >> on
    
    >> Amazon. Print copies also available.
    
    >>
    
    >>
    
    >>
    
    >
    
    --
    
    My dark fantasy and historical fiction novels are available for Kindle on
    
    Amazon. Print copies also available.
    
    
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  3. Re: [CALBIRDS] Are Regional/County Listservs Still Relevant? [a bit long] LINK
    DATE: Jan 18, 2018 @ 10:09pm, 2 day(s) ago
    eBird now has a "profile" option and people can put basically whatever they want there.  Maybe they/we should be encouraged to provide contact information.  I think it would be very useful - but it should be completely optional.
    
    Ken Burton
    Crescent City
    
    On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 9:19 PM, kyri@... [CALBIRDS] < CALBIRDS-noreply@yahoogroups.com > wrote:
    
      In terms of contacting the person: in a very quick survey on eBird, you
    
    are correct; clicking on a checklist gets you some personal information
    
    but not a way to contact the person. Is there a role for commenting on
    
    eBird, or would that open a whole can of worms I'm not sure.
    
    The exact location: That's not a good job of reporting if they didn't
    
    specify clearly where the bird was.
    
    In terms of standard for eBird reports, what would be helpful to me is
    
    some kind of rubric. What level of detail is requested (or does it
    
    absolutely have to be a photo) for a rare, unseasonal, or otherwise
    
    perhaps questionable species What data do the reviewers want to see I
    
    want a high standard of data to be upheld. But I would hope the reporting
    
    that is expected is the same for everyone.
    
    So, to make a long post a bit shorter, what about having a linked rubric,
    
    perhaps individualized by county, clarifying exactly what is expected of
    
    rare/unusual reports That would be helpful and would reduce any
    
    appearance of inequity.
    
    Kyri Freeman
    
    Barstow, CA
    
    > 1. The mechanism for this may exist, but I'm not aware of it: sometimes I
    
    > want to ask one of the people who have entered a bird into eBird for some
    
    > information. The specific information might be different things at
    
    > different times, but there's always a good reason why. However, there are
    
    > all these people who enter sightings into eBird, who I have never heard of
    
    > in my life. I do not have contact information for them, so I can't ask
    
    > them
    
    > where exactly in that 200-acre park they saw the bird I'm interested in.
    
    > 2.Typically the information about that I am seeking is hidden underneath a
    
    > pile of 30 entries in which 29 of the observers wrote "continuing.." Then,
    
    > when I write an email to the appropriate email list asking for specifics,
    
    > I
    
    > always get the one email that says "the info is there on eBird." The
    
    > assumption is that I am lazy, and didn't do my homework.
    
    > 3. "I am, however, extremely frustrated with the eBird reviewer unspoken
    
    > requirement that one must have an expensive camera or be a member of the
    
    > local ruling cabal to have records of anything even very slightly out of
    
    > the ordinary accepted."
    
    > Kyrie, a lot of us have had that bad experience. This is a major
    
    > frustration that I have with eBird: sure, there are some incredibly
    
    > competent and thoughtful people like Kimball Garrett, and I'm not saying
    
    > that to kiss up to him, who are reliable and very good at teaching (why
    
    > your bird is not this species, but the other species). But what about when
    
    > you are dealing with an eBird editor who makes up their own rules There
    
    > is
    
    > no appeals process that I'm aware of. If there is, please let me know
    
    > about
    
    > it. This is actually a big problem. I have had a couple of different
    
    > people
    
    > who have eBird authority make some incredibly unscientific, and let's be
    
    > honest, unprofessional statements to me (while stuck in traffic I have
    
    > composed a long angry emails to them letting them know how dumb they are,
    
    > but never actually bothered to sit down and type these rants). In my job
    
    > if
    
    > I made these types of statements that they make, the crowd of people in
    
    > the
    
    > room with me who all have science degrees would drag me out to the parking
    
    > lot and beat me senseless. I appreciate that there is a vigorous attempt
    
    > to
    
    > apply scientific rigor to this process, but in that case perhaps there
    
    > should be restriction that only people with degrees in biology or physics
    
    > (wink, wink, nudge, nudge) or chemistry are allowed to be eBird editors.
    
    > If
    
    > you think this is a baseless rant, contact me offline and I will tell you
    
    > some stories that will make your hair spontaneously catch on fire.
    
    > Tom Miko
    
    > LA County
    
    > Claremont at night, somewhere in traffic during the day.
    
    > 909.241.3300
    
    >
    
    >
    
    > On Jan 16, 2018 10:11 PM, " kyri@... [CALBIRDS]" <
    
    > CALBIRDS-noreply@yahoogroups. com > wrote:
    
    >
    
    >>
    
    >>
    
    >> My .02:
    
    >>
    
    >> I am in favor of all sorts of information. More, not less. Different
    
    >> formats work for different people. I find the search function of eBird
    
    >> more helpful than Yahoo groups, but I also find the phone app clunky and
    
    >> prefer to take written field notes and do my eBird report later. When it
    
    >> comes to information, as long as accuracy is there, I think variety is
    
    >> good.
    
    >>
    
    >> I find that listservs often are overly censorious when dealing with
    
    >> newbies and newcomers to specific areas. It is possible, in theory, to
    
    >> correct an error without making the person never, ever want to report a
    
    >> bird again.
    
    >>
    
    >> I am, however, extremely frustrated with the eBird reviewer unspoken
    
    >> requirement that one must have an expensive camera or be a member of the
    
    >> local ruling cabal to have records of anything even very slightly out of
    
    >> the ordinary accepted.
    
    >>
    
    >> Kyri Freeman
    
    >> Barstow, CA
    
    >>
    
    >> > Do not eliminate the list-serves and improve the quality of eBirds. I
    
    >> am
    
    >> > not in favor of eBird reviewers being forced to accept photo records
    
    >> when
    
    >> > they cannot confirm those photos were even taken in the location in
    
    >> the
    
    >> > record. If they question the submitter and there is no response that
    
    >> > record should be eliminated. We should never replace the state record
    
    >> > committees under any circumstances.
    
    >> > Leonie Batkin
    
    >> >
    
    >> > Sent from my iPhone
    
    >> >
    
    >> >> On Jan 16, 2018, at 7:15 PM, Jim Lomax sdrib@... [CALBIRDS]
    
    >> >> < CALBIRDS-noreply@yahoogroups. com > wrote:
    
    >> >>
    
    >> >> The question is: Should ebird replace the California Records
    
    >> Committee
    
    >> >> The answer is firmly NO.
    
    >> >>
    
    >> >>
    
    >> >> All this other discussion is nice and I’m glad things are
    
    >> improving. I
    
    >> >> hope it works out.
    
    >> >>
    
    >> >> Jim
    
    >> >>
    
    >> >>> On Jan 16, 2018, at 7:08 PM, Brian Sullivan < heraldpetrel@... >
    
    >> >>> wrote:
    
    >> >>>
    
    >> >>> Hi All,
    
    >> >>>
    
    >> >>> As someone who has worked closely with the eBird team since 2005, I
    
    >> can
    
    >> >>> assure you that we, and everyone at the Lab, greatly value the work
    
    >> >>> done by regional bird records committees. The stringent review
    
    >> process
    
    >> >>> employed by records committees is perfect for consideration of very
    
    >> >>> important records, and eBird policy is to adhere to these finalized
    
    >> >>> decisions. The bird records committee process is also highly
    
    >> valuable
    
    >> >>> in situations where the details and evidence aren't exactly a 'slam
    
    >> >>> dunk', and a more thoughtful and careful committee-based review
    
    >> >>> decision is necessary. If there are great photos of an easily
    
    >> >>> identified rarity (e.g., adult Ross's Gull etc.), eBird
    
    >> provisionally
    
    >> >>> accepts the record pending formal acceptance by the relevant bird
    
    >> >>> records committee. This allows the information to get out there in a
    
    >> >>> broader way to the community of people looking to eBird for rare
    
    >> bird
    
    >> >>> information.. eBird's nearly 3000 global data reviewers work
    
    >> tirelessly
    
    >> >>> and often thanklessly on a volunteer basis. We greatly appreciate
    
    >> all
    
    >> >>> their hard work, input, and commitment to the project--without them,
    
    >> >>> eBird would cease to exist..
    
    >> >>>
    
    >> >>> One thing worth pointing out is that the eBird review process is
    
    >> always
    
    >> >>> evolving, and hopefully becoming more refined over time. It strives
    
    >> to
    
    >> >>> achieve a high level of accuracy in the data while balancing a
    
    >> number
    
    >> >>> of other considerations, not least of which being scale and
    
    >> usability..
    
    >> >>> With more than 10 million records a month passing through eBird, the
    
    >> >>> time is near for a complete overhaul of the way the review process
    
    >> >>> works. Look for continued improvements in the next 12-18 months on
    
    >> this
    
    >> >>> front. For now, you can read about how the review process works on
    
    >> >>> eBird here:
    
    >> >>>
    
    >> >>> http://help.ebird.org/ customer/portal/articles/ 1055676
    
    >> >>>
    
    >> >>> It ain't perfect, that's for sure. But we're working to improve it
    
    >> >>> every day.
    
    >> >>>
    
    >> >>> Thanks
    
    >> >>>
    
    >> >>> Brian
    
    >> >>>
    
    >> >>>> On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 6:40 PM, Bruce Barrett coddler@...
    
    >> >>>> [CALBIRDS] < CALBIRDS-noreply@yahoogroups. com > wrote:
    
    >> >>>>
    
    >> >>>>
    
    >> >>>> Perhaps you are mixing two objectives Jim.
    
    >> >>>>
    
    >> >>>> Long-term accuracy: The eBird review system aims at producing the
    
    >> same
    
    >> >>>> clean data-base of rare sightings that any RBC strives for..
    
    >> >>>>
    
    >> >>>> Put another way, and putting the is it "countable" issue to one
    
    >> side,
    
    >> >>>> what does the average RBC provide that a well-reviewed eBird does
    
    >> not
    
    >> >>>> - or could not - especially if each RBC member put the same amount
    
    >> of
    
    >> >>>> time into reviewing eBird sightings
    
    >> >>>>
    
    >> >>>> Front-end Speed: In the meantime, let's get the information out as
    
    >> >>>> fast as possible - warts and all. Surely one accurate and fast
    
    >> >>>> Tropical Parula report is worth a lot of noise that must be
    
    >> >>>> subsequently cleaned out.
    
    >> >>>>
    
    >> >>>> I suggest that the very same unfiltered front-end that allows the
    
    >> >>>> noise also encourages everyone to submit their rare bird sightings
    
    >> >>>> faster and more frequently than most of us ever do to the RBC.
    
    >> Indeed,
    
    >> >>>> every California RBC report seems to contain notes of sightings for
    
    >> >>>> which they have not received a single report. I'm willing to bet
    
    >> that
    
    >> >>>> on eBird the average rare bird gets a lot more data submitted than
    
    >> >>>> ever gets sent to the RBC, so there is a lot more evidence for the
    
    >> >>>> reviewers to consider.
    
    >> >>>>
    
    >> >>>> It has been noted that not everyone is yet a member of eBird. OK,
    
    >> so
    
    >> >>>> until eBird is truly universal, provide an RBC-like portal - just
    
    >> to
    
    >> >>>> capture their reports.
    
    >> >>>>
    
    >> >>>> Another benefit of migrating RBC's to eBird is that eBird provides
    
    >> a
    
    >> >>>> degree of national consistency, for example, in the treatment of
    
    >> >>>> introduced birds, information required for inclusion, data base
    
    >> >>>> management, etc.
    
    >> >>>>
    
    >> >>>> eBird is by no means perfect, so pointing out where it currently
    
    >> does
    
    >> >>>> not fully replace RBC's is fair game, but surely it should/can be
    
    >> >>>> adjusted.
    
    >> >>>>
    
    >> >>>> Bruce Barrett
    
    >> >>>> San Jose, CA
    
    >> >>>>
    
    >> >>>>
    
    >> >>>>
    
    >> >>>>> On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 6:02 PM, Jim Lomax sdrib@...
    
    >> >>>>> [CALBIRDS] < CALBIRDS-noreply@yahoogroups. com > wrote:
    
    >> >>>>>
    
    >> >>>>> Considering the huge number of erroneous ebird reports, some even
    
    >> >>>>> documented with photos, from people either too lazy or
    
    >> don’t care
    
    >> >>>>> enough to study a bird guide but don’t mind asking for
    
    >> someone else
    
    >> >>>>> to identify their birds, I think having a panel of knowledgeable
    
    >> >>>>> people to sort through all the “claims" would keep the
    
    >> birding in
    
    >> >>>>> California a lot more credible than ebird.
    
    >> >>>>>
    
    >> >>>>>
    
    >> >>>>> Jim Lomax
    
    >> >>>>> From No Particular Place
    
    >> >>>>>
    
    >> >>>>>
    
    >> >>>>>
    
    >> >>>>>> On Jan 16, 2018, at 5:41 PM, Gjon Hazard gjon_hazard@...
    
    >> >>>>>> [CALBIRDS] < CALBIRDS-noreply@yahoogroups. com > wrote:
    
    >> >>>>>>
    
    >> >>>>>> At the risk of being branded a heretic (again), I wonder if Bird
    
    >> >>>>>> Records Committees are still relevant in the age of eBird
    
    >> >>>>>>
    
    >> >>>>>> -Gjon
    
    >> >>>>>> San Diego County
    
    >> >>>>>>
    
    >> >>
    
    >> >>
    
    >> >
    
    >>
    
    >> --
    
    >> My dark fantasy and historical fiction novels are available for Kindle
    
    >> on
    
    >> Amazon. Print copies also available.
    
    >>
    
    >>
    
    >>
    
    >
    
    --
    
    My dark fantasy and historical fiction novels are available for Kindle on
    
    Amazon. Print copies also available.
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  5. Re: [CALBIRDS] Are Regional/County Listservs Still Relevant? [a bit long] LINK
    DATE: Jan 18, 2018 @ 9:19pm, 2 day(s) ago
    In terms of contacting the person: in a very quick survey on eBird, you
    
    are correct; clicking on a checklist gets you some personal information
    
    but not a way to contact the person. Is there a role for commenting on
    
    eBird, or would that open a whole can of worms I'm not sure.
    
    The exact location: That's not a good job of reporting if they didn't
    
    specify clearly where the bird was.
    
    In terms of standard for eBird reports, what would be helpful to me is
    
    some kind of rubric. What level of detail is requested (or does it
    
    absolutely have to be a photo) for a rare, unseasonal, or otherwise
    
    perhaps questionable species What data do the reviewers want to see I
    
    want a high standard of data to be upheld. But I would hope the reporting
    
    that is expected is the same for everyone.
    
    So, to make a long post a bit shorter, what about having a linked rubric,
    
    perhaps individualized by county, clarifying exactly what is expected of
    
    rare/unusual reports That would be helpful and would reduce any
    
    appearance of inequity.
    
    Kyri Freeman
    
    Barstow, CA
    
    > 1. The mechanism for this may exist, but I'm not aware of it: sometimes I
    
    > want to ask one of the people who have entered a bird into eBird for some
    
    > information. The specific information might be different things at
    
    > different times, but there's always a good reason why. However, there are
    
    > all these people who enter sightings into eBird, who I have never heard of
    
    > in my life. I do not have contact information for them, so I can't ask
    
    > them
    
    > where exactly in that 200-acre park they saw the bird I'm interested in.
    
    > 2.Typically the information about that I am seeking is hidden underneath a
    
    > pile of 30 entries in which 29 of the observers wrote "continuing." Then,
    
    > when I write an email to the appropriate email list asking for specifics,
    
    > I
    
    > always get the one email that says "the info is there on eBird." The
    
    > assumption is that I am lazy, and didn't do my homework.
    
    > 3. "I am, however, extremely frustrated with the eBird reviewer unspoken
    
    > requirement that one must have an expensive camera or be a member of the
    
    > local ruling cabal to have records of anything even very slightly out of
    
    > the ordinary accepted."
    
    > Kyrie, a lot of us have had that bad experience. This is a major
    
    > frustration that I have with eBird: sure, there are some incredibly
    
    > competent and thoughtful people like Kimball Garrett, and I'm not saying
    
    > that to kiss up to him, who are reliable and very good at teaching (why
    
    > your bird is not this species, but the other species). But what about when
    
    > you are dealing with an eBird editor who makes up their own rules There
    
    > is
    
    > no appeals process that I'm aware of. If there is, please let me know
    
    > about
    
    > it. This is actually a big problem. I have had a couple of different
    
    > people
    
    > who have eBird authority make some incredibly unscientific, and let's be
    
    > honest, unprofessional statements to me (while stuck in traffic I have
    
    > composed a long angry emails to them letting them know how dumb they are,
    
    > but never actually bothered to sit down and type these rants). In my job
    
    > if
    
    > I made these types of statements that they make, the crowd of people in
    
    > the
    
    > room with me who all have science degrees would drag me out to the parking
    
    > lot and beat me senseless. I appreciate that there is a vigorous attempt
    
    > to
    
    > apply scientific rigor to this process, but in that case perhaps there
    
    > should be restriction that only people with degrees in biology or physics
    
    > (wink, wink, nudge, nudge) or chemistry are allowed to be eBird editors.
    
    > If
    
    > you think this is a baseless rant, contact me offline and I will tell you
    
    > some stories that will make your hair spontaneously catch on fire.
    
    > Tom Miko
    
    > LA County
    
    > Claremont at night, somewhere in traffic during the day.
    
    > 909.241.3300
    
    >
    
    >
    
    > On Jan 16, 2018 10:11 PM, " kyri@... [CALBIRDS]" <
    
    > CALBIRDS-noreply@yahoogroups.com > wrote:
    
    >
    
    >>
    
    >>
    
    >> My .02:
    
    >>
    
    >> I am in favor of all sorts of information. More, not less. Different
    
    >> formats work for different people. I find the search function of eBird
    
    >> more helpful than Yahoo groups, but I also find the phone app clunky and
    
    >> prefer to take written field notes and do my eBird report later. When it
    
    >> comes to information, as long as accuracy is there, I think variety is
    
    >> good.
    
    >>
    
    >> I find that listservs often are overly censorious when dealing with
    
    >> newbies and newcomers to specific areas. It is possible, in theory, to
    
    >> correct an error without making the person never, ever want to report a
    
    >> bird again.
    
    >>
    
    >> I am, however, extremely frustrated with the eBird reviewer unspoken
    
    >> requirement that one must have an expensive camera or be a member of the
    
    >> local ruling cabal to have records of anything even very slightly out of
    
    >> the ordinary accepted.
    
    >>
    
    >> Kyri Freeman
    
    >> Barstow, CA
    
    >>
    
    >> > Do not eliminate the list-serves and improve the quality of eBirds. I
    
    >> am
    
    >> > not in favor of eBird reviewers being forced to accept photo records
    
    >> when
    
    >> > they cannot confirm those photos were even taken in the location in
    
    >> the
    
    >> > record. If they question the submitter and there is no response that
    
    >> > record should be eliminated. We should never replace the state record
    
    >> > committees under any circumstances.
    
    >> > Leonie Batkin
    
    >> >
    
    >> > Sent from my iPhone
    
    >> >
    
    >> >> On Jan 16, 2018, at 7:15 PM, Jim Lomax sdrib@... [CALBIRDS]
    
    >> >> < CALBIRDS-noreply@yahoogroups.com > wrote:
    
    >> >>
    
    >> >> The question is: Should ebird replace the California Records
    
    >> Committee
    
    >> >> The answer is firmly NO.
    
    >> >>
    
    >> >>
    
    >> >> All this other discussion is nice and Iââ¬â˘m glad things are
    
    >> improving. I
    
    >> >> hope it works out.
    
    >> >>
    
    >> >> Jim
    
    >> >>
    
    >> >>> On Jan 16, 2018, at 7:08 PM, Brian Sullivan < heraldpetrel@... >
    
    >> >>> wrote:
    
    >> >>>
    
    >> >>> Hi All,
    
    >> >>>
    
    >> >>> As someone who has worked closely with the eBird team since 2005, I
    
    >> can
    
    >> >>> assure you that we, and everyone at the Lab, greatly value the work
    
    >> >>> done by regional bird records committees. The stringent review
    
    >> process
    
    >> >>> employed by records committees is perfect for consideration of very
    
    >> >>> important records, and eBird policy is to adhere to these finalized
    
    >> >>> decisions. The bird records committee process is also highly
    
    >> valuable
    
    >> >>> in situations where the details and evidence aren't exactly a 'slam
    
    >> >>> dunk', and a more thoughtful and careful committee-based review
    
    >> >>> decision is necessary. If there are great photos of an easily
    
    >> >>> identified rarity (e.g., adult Ross's Gull etc.), eBird
    
    >> provisionally
    
    >> >>> accepts the record pending formal acceptance by the relevant bird
    
    >> >>> records committee. This allows the information to get out there in a
    
    >> >>> broader way to the community of people looking to eBird for rare
    
    >> bird
    
    >> >>> information.. eBird's nearly 3000 global data reviewers work
    
    >> tirelessly
    
    >> >>> and often thanklessly on a volunteer basis. We greatly appreciate
    
    >> all
    
    >> >>> their hard work, input, and commitment to the project--without them,
    
    >> >>> eBird would cease to exist..
    
    >> >>>
    
    >> >>> One thing worth pointing out is that the eBird review process is
    
    >> always
    
    >> >>> evolving, and hopefully becoming more refined over time. It strives
    
    >> to
    
    >> >>> achieve a high level of accuracy in the data while balancing a
    
    >> number
    
    >> >>> of other considerations, not least of which being scale and
    
    >> usability..
    
    >> >>> With more than 10 million records a month passing through eBird, the
    
    >> >>> time is near for a complete overhaul of the way the review process
    
    >> >>> works. Look for continued improvements in the next 12-18 months on
    
    >> this
    
    >> >>> front. For now, you can read about how the review process works on
    
    >> >>> eBird here:
    
    >> >>>
    
    >> >>> http://help.ebird.org/customer/portal/articles/1055676
    
    >> >>>
    
    >> >>> It ain't perfect, that's for sure. But we're working to improve it
    
    >> >>> every day.
    
    >> >>>
    
    >> >>> Thanks
    
    >> >>>
    
    >> >>> Brian
    
    >> >>>
    
    >> >>>> On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 6:40 PM, Bruce Barrett coddler@...
    
    >> >>>> [CALBIRDS] < CALBIRDS-noreply@yahoogroups.com > wrote:
    
    >> >>>>
    
    >> >>>>
    
    >> >>>> Perhaps you are mixing two objectives Jim.
    
    >> >>>>
    
    >> >>>> Long-term accuracy: The eBird review system aims at producing the
    
    >> same
    
    >> >>>> clean data-base of rare sightings that any RBC strives for..
    
    >> >>>>
    
    >> >>>> Put another way, and putting the is it "countable" issue to one
    
    >> side,
    
    >> >>>> what does the average RBC provide that a well-reviewed eBird does
    
    >> not
    
    >> >>>> - or could not - especially if each RBC member put the same amount
    
    >> of
    
    >> >>>> time into reviewing eBird sightings
    
    >> >>>>
    
    >> >>>> Front-end Speed: In the meantime, let's get the information out as
    
    >> >>>> fast as possible - warts and all. Surely one accurate and fast
    
    >> >>>> Tropical Parula report is worth a lot of noise that must be
    
    >> >>>> subsequently cleaned out.
    
    >> >>>>
    
    >> >>>> I suggest that the very same unfiltered front-end that allows the
    
    >> >>>> noise also encourages everyone to submit their rare bird sightings
    
    >> >>>> faster and more frequently than most of us ever do to the RBC.
    
    >> Indeed,
    
    >> >>>> every California RBC report seems to contain notes of sightings for
    
    >> >>>> which they have not received a single report. I'm willing to bet
    
    >> that
    
    >> >>>> on eBird the average rare bird gets a lot more data submitted than
    
    >> >>>> ever gets sent to the RBC, so there is a lot more evidence for the
    
    >> >>>> reviewers to consider.
    
    >> >>>>
    
    >> >>>> It has been noted that not everyone is yet a member of eBird. OK,
    
    >> so
    
    >> >>>> until eBird is truly universal, provide an RBC-like portal - just
    
    >> to
    
    >> >>>> capture their reports.
    
    >> >>>>
    
    >> >>>> Another benefit of migrating RBC's to eBird is that eBird provides
    
    >> a
    
    >> >>>> degree of national consistency, for example, in the treatment of
    
    >> >>>> introduced birds, information required for inclusion, data base
    
    >> >>>> management, etc.
    
    >> >>>>
    
    >> >>>> eBird is by no means perfect, so pointing out where it currently
    
    >> does
    
    >> >>>> not fully replace RBC's is fair game, but surely it should/can be
    
    >> >>>> adjusted.
    
    >> >>>>
    
    >> >>>> Bruce Barrett
    
    >> >>>> San Jose, CA
    
    >> >>>>
    
    >> >>>>
    
    >> >>>>
    
    >> >>>>> On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 6:02 PM, Jim Lomax sdrib@...
    
    >> >>>>> [CALBIRDS] < CALBIRDS-noreply@yahoogroups.com > wrote:
    
    >> >>>>>
    
    >> >>>>> Considering the huge number of erroneous ebird reports, some even
    
    >> >>>>> documented with photos, from people either too lazy or
    
    >> donââ¬â˘t care
    
    >> >>>>> enough to study a bird guide but donââ¬â˘t mind asking for
    
    >> someone else
    
    >> >>>>> to identify their birds, I think having a panel of knowledgeable
    
    >> >>>>> people to sort through all the ââ¬Ĺclaims" would keep the
    
    >> birding in
    
    >> >>>>> California a lot more credible than ebird.
    
    >> >>>>>
    
    >> >>>>>
    
    >> >>>>> Jim Lomax
    
    >> >>>>> From No Particular Place
    
    >> >>>>>
    
    >> >>>>>
    
    >> >>>>>
    
    >> >>>>>> On Jan 16, 2018, at 5:41 PM, Gjon Hazard gjon_hazard@...
    
    >> >>>>>> [CALBIRDS] < CALBIRDS-noreply@yahoogroups.com > wrote:
    
    >> >>>>>>
    
    >> >>>>>> At the risk of being branded a heretic (again), I wonder if Bird
    
    >> >>>>>> Records Committees are still relevant in the age of eBird
    
    >> >>>>>>
    
    >> >>>>>> -Gjon
    
    >> >>>>>> San Diego County
    
    >> >>>>>>
    
    >> >>
    
    >> >>
    
    >> >
    
    >>
    
    >> --
    
    >> My dark fantasy and historical fiction novels are available for Kindle
    
    >> on
    
    >> Amazon. Print copies also available.
    
    >>
    
    >>
    
    >>
    
    >
    
    --
    
    My dark fantasy and historical fiction novels are available for Kindle on
    
    Amazon. Print copies also available.
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  7. Re: [CALBIRDS] Are Regional/County Listservs Still Relevant? [a bit long] LINK
    DATE: Jan 18, 2018 @ 6:51pm, 2 day(s) ago
    1. The mechanism for this may exist, but I'm not aware of it:  sometimes I want to ask one of the people who have entered a bird into eBird for some information. The specific information might be different things at different times, but there's always a good reason why. However, there are all these people who enter sightings into eBird, who I have never heard of in my life. I do not have contact information for them, so I can't ask them where exactly in that 200-acre park they saw the bird I'm interested in.  2.Typically the information about that I am seeking is hidden underneath a pile of 30 entries in which 29 of the observers wrote "continuing." Then, when I write an email to the appropriate email list asking for specifics, I always get the one email that says "the info is there on eBird." The assumption is that I am lazy, and didn't do my homework.
    3. "I  am, however, extremely frustrated with the eBird reviewer unspoken
    requirement that one must have an expensive camera or be a member of the
    local ruling cabal to have records of anything even very slightly out of
    the ordinary accepted."  Kyrie, a lot of us have had that bad experience. This is a major frustration that I have with  eBird: sure, there are some incredibly competent and thoughtful people like Kimball Garrett, and I'm not saying that to kiss up to him, who are reliable and very good at teaching (why your bird is not this species, but the other species). But what about when you are dealing with an eBird editor who makes up their own rules There is no appeals process that I'm aware of. If there is, please let me know about it. This is actually a big problem. I have had a couple of different people who have eBird authority make some incredibly unscientific, and let's be honest, unprofessional statements to me (while stuck in traffic I have composed a long angry emails to them letting them know how dumb they are, but never actually bothered to sit down and type these rants). In my job if I made these types of statements that they make, the crowd of people in the room with me who all have science degrees would drag me out to the parking lot and beat me senseless. I appreciate that there is a vigorous attempt to apply scientific rigor to this process, but in that case perhaps there should be restriction that only people with degrees in biology or physics (wink, wink, nudge, nudge) or chemistry are allowed to be eBird editors. If you think this is a baseless rant, contact me offline and I will tell you some stories that will make your hair spontaneously catch on fire. 
    Tom Miko
    LA County
    Claremont at night, somewhere in traffic  during the day.
    909.241.3300
    
    On Jan 16, 2018 10:11 PM, " kyri@... [CALBIRDS]" < CALBIRDS-noreply@yahoogroups.com > wrote:
    
      My .02:
    
    I am in favor of all sorts of information. More, not less. Different
    
    formats work for different people. I find the search function of eBird
    
    more helpful than Yahoo groups, but I also find the phone app clunky and
    
    prefer to take written field notes and do my eBird report later. When it
    
    comes to information, as long as accuracy is there, I think variety is
    
    good.
    
    I find that listservs often are overly censorious when dealing with
    
    newbies and newcomers to specific areas. It is possible, in theory, to
    
    correct an error without making the person never, ever want to report a
    
    bird again.
    
    I am, however, extremely frustrated with the eBird reviewer unspoken
    
    requirement that one must have an expensive camera or be a member of the
    
    local ruling cabal to have records of anything even very slightly out of
    
    the ordinary accepted.
    
    Kyri Freeman
    
    Barstow, CA
    
    > Do not eliminate the list-serves and improve the quality of eBirds. I am
    
    > not in favor of eBird reviewers being forced to accept photo records when
    
    > they cannot confirm those photos were even taken in the location in the
    
    > record. If they question the submitter and there is no response that
    
    > record should be eliminated. We should never replace the state record
    
    > committees under any circumstances.
    
    > Leonie Batkin
    
    >
    
    > Sent from my iPhone
    
    >
    
    >> On Jan 16, 2018, at 7:15 PM, Jim Lomax sdrib@... [CALBIRDS]
    
    >> < CALBIRDS-noreply@yahoogroups. com > wrote:
    
    >>
    
    >> The question is: Should ebird replace the California Records Committee
    
    >> The answer is firmly NO.
    
    >>
    
    >>
    
    >> All this other discussion is nice and I’m glad things are improving. I
    
    >> hope it works out.
    
    >>
    
    >> Jim
    
    >>
    
    >>> On Jan 16, 2018, at 7:08 PM, Brian Sullivan < heraldpetrel@... >
    
    >>> wrote:
    
    >>>
    
    >>> Hi All,
    
    >>>
    
    >>> As someone who has worked closely with the eBird team since 2005, I can
    
    >>> assure you that we, and everyone at the Lab, greatly value the work
    
    >>> done by regional bird records committees. The stringent review process
    
    >>> employed by records committees is perfect for consideration of very
    
    >>> important records, and eBird policy is to adhere to these finalized
    
    >>> decisions. The bird records committee process is also highly valuable
    
    >>> in situations where the details and evidence aren't exactly a 'slam
    
    >>> dunk', and a more thoughtful and careful committee-based review
    
    >>> decision is necessary. If there are great photos of an easily
    
    >>> identified rarity (e.g., adult Ross's Gull etc.), eBird provisionally
    
    >>> accepts the record pending formal acceptance by the relevant bird
    
    >>> records committee. This allows the information to get out there in a
    
    >>> broader way to the community of people looking to eBird for rare bird
    
    >>> information.. eBird's nearly 3000 global data reviewers work tirelessly
    
    >>> and often thanklessly on a volunteer basis. We greatly appreciate all
    
    >>> their hard work, input, and commitment to the project--without them,
    
    >>> eBird would cease to exist..
    
    >>>
    
    >>> One thing worth pointing out is that the eBird review process is always
    
    >>> evolving, and hopefully becoming more refined over time. It strives to
    
    >>> achieve a high level of accuracy in the data while balancing a number
    
    >>> of other considerations, not least of which being scale and usability.
    
    >>> With more than 10 million records a month passing through eBird, the
    
    >>> time is near for a complete overhaul of the way the review process
    
    >>> works. Look for continued improvements in the next 12-18 months on this
    
    >>> front. For now, you can read about how the review process works on
    
    >>> eBird here:
    
    >>>
    
    >>> http://help.ebird.org/ customer/portal/articles/ 1055676
    
    >>>
    
    >>> It ain't perfect, that's for sure. But we're working to improve it
    
    >>> every day.
    
    >>>
    
    >>> Thanks
    
    >>>
    
    >>> Brian
    
    >>>
    
    >>>> On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 6:40 PM, Bruce Barrett coddler@...
    
    >>>> [CALBIRDS] < CALBIRDS-noreply@yahoogroups. com > wrote:
    
    >>>>
    
    >>>>
    
    >>>> Perhaps you are mixing two objectives Jim.
    
    >>>>
    
    >>>> Long-term accuracy: The eBird review system aims at producing the same
    
    >>>> clean data-base of rare sightings that any RBC strives for..
    
    >>>>
    
    >>>> Put another way, and putting the is it "countable" issue to one side,
    
    >>>> what does the average RBC provide that a well-reviewed eBird does not
    
    >>>> - or could not - especially if each RBC member put the same amount of
    
    >>>> time into reviewing eBird sightings
    
    >>>>
    
    >>>> Front-end Speed: In the meantime, let's get the information out as
    
    >>>> fast as possible - warts and all. Surely one accurate and fast
    
    >>>> Tropical Parula report is worth a lot of noise that must be
    
    >>>> subsequently cleaned out.
    
    >>>>
    
    >>>> I suggest that the very same unfiltered front-end that allows the
    
    >>>> noise also encourages everyone to submit their rare bird sightings
    
    >>>> faster and more frequently than most of us ever do to the RBC. Indeed,
    
    >>>> every California RBC report seems to contain notes of sightings for
    
    >>>> which they have not received a single report. I'm willing to bet that
    
    >>>> on eBird the average rare bird gets a lot more data submitted than
    
    >>>> ever gets sent to the RBC, so there is a lot more evidence for the
    
    >>>> reviewers to consider.
    
    >>>>
    
    >>>> It has been noted that not everyone is yet a member of eBird. OK, so
    
    >>>> until eBird is truly universal, provide an RBC-like portal - just to
    
    >>>> capture their reports.
    
    >>>>
    
    >>>> Another benefit of migrating RBC's to eBird is that eBird provides a
    
    >>>> degree of national consistency, for example, in the treatment of
    
    >>>> introduced birds, information required for inclusion, data base
    
    >>>> management, etc.
    
    >>>>
    
    >>>> eBird is by no means perfect, so pointing out where it currently does
    
    >>>> not fully replace RBC's is fair game, but surely it should/can be
    
    >>>> adjusted.
    
    >>>>
    
    >>>> Bruce Barrett
    
    >>>> San Jose, CA
    
    >>>>
    
    >>>>
    
    >>>>
    
    >>>>> On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 6:02 PM, Jim Lomax sdrib@...
    
    >>>>> [CALBIRDS] < CALBIRDS-noreply@yahoogroups. com > wrote:
    
    >>>>>
    
    >>>>> Considering the huge number of erroneous ebird reports, some even
    
    >>>>> documented with photos, from people either too lazy or don’t care
    
    >>>>> enough to study a bird guide but don’t mind asking for someone else
    
    >>>>> to identify their birds, I think having a panel of knowledgeable
    
    >>>>> people to sort through all the “claims" would keep the birding in
    
    >>>>> California a lot more credible than ebird.
    
    >>>>>
    
    >>>>>
    
    >>>>> Jim Lomax
    
    >>>>> From No Particular Place
    
    >>>>>
    
    >>>>>
    
    >>>>>
    
    >>>>>> On Jan 16, 2018, at 5:41 PM, Gjon Hazard gjon_hazard@...
    
    >>>>>> [CALBIRDS] < CALBIRDS-noreply@yahoogroups. com > wrote:
    
    >>>>>>
    
    >>>>>> At the risk of being branded a heretic (again), I wonder if Bird
    
    >>>>>> Records Committees are still relevant in the age of eBird
    
    >>>>>>
    
    >>>>>> -Gjon
    
    >>>>>> San Diego County
    
    >>>>>>
    
    >>
    
    >>
    
    >
    
    --
    
    My dark fantasy and historical fiction novels are available for Kindle on
    
    Amazon. Print copies also available.
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  9. Re: [CALBIRDS] Are Regional/County Listservs Still Relevant? [a bit long] LINK
    DATE: Jan 17, 2018 @ 11:00am, 3 day(s) ago
    I would think any photographer documenting a rare bird would have the GPS features active on the camera. I understand this may be an issue on private property. I have not posted many photos on Ebird so I am not sure if the coordinates are always visible.
    Doug Shaw
    Santa Rosa, CA, Sonoma County On January 16, 2018 at 7:32 PM "Leonie Batkin leonie.batkin23@... [CALBIRDS]" wrote:
    
      Do not eliminate the list-serves and improve the quality of eBirds..  I am not in favor of eBird reviewers being forced to accept photo records when they cannot confirm those photos were even taken in the location in the record.  If they question the submitter and there is no response that record should be eliminated.  We should never replace the state record committees under any circumstances.   Leonie Batkin 
    
    Sent from my iPhone
    
    On Jan 16, 2018, at 7:15 PM, Jim Lomax sdrib@... [CALBIRDS] < CALBIRDS-noreply@yahoogroups.com > wrote:
    
      The question is: Should ebird replace the California Records Committee The answer is firmly NO.
    
    All this other discussion is nice and I’m glad things are improving. I hope it works out.
    
    Jim
    
    On Jan 16, 2018, at 7:08 PM, Brian Sullivan < heraldpetrel@... > wrote:
    
    Hi All,
    
    As someone who has worked closely with the eBird team since 2005, I can assure you that we, and everyone at the Lab, greatly value the work done by regional bird records committees. The stringent review process employed by records committees is perfect for consideration of very important records, and eBird policy is to adhere to these finalized decisions. The bird records committee process is also highly valuable in situations where the details and evidence aren't exactly a 'slam dunk', and a more thoughtful and careful committee-based review decision is necessary. If there are great photos of an easily identified rarity (e.g., adult Ross's Gull etc.), eBird provisionally accepts the record pending formal acceptance by the relevant bird records committee. This allows the information to get out there in a broader way to the community of people looking to eBird for rare bird information. eBird's nearly 3000 global data reviewers work tirelessly and often thanklessly on a volunteer basis. We greatly appreciate all their hard work, input, and commitment to the project--without them, eBird would cease to exist.
    
    One thing worth pointing out is that the eBird review process is always evolving, and hopefully becoming more refined over time. It strives to achieve a high level of accuracy in the data while balancing a number of other considerations, not least of which being scale and usability. With more than 10 million records a month passing through eBird, the time is near for a complete overhaul of the way the review process works. Look for continued improvements in the next 12-18 months on this front. For now, you can read about how the review process works on eBird here:
    
    http://help.ebird.org/customer/portal/articles/1055676
    
    It ain't perfect, that's for sure. But we're working to improve it every day.
    
    Thanks
    
    Brian
    
    On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 6:40 PM, Bruce Barrett coddler@... [CALBIRDS] < CALBIRDS-noreply@yahoogroups.com > wrote:
     
    
    Perhaps you are mixing two objectives Jim.
    
    Long-term accuracy: The eBird review system aims at producing the same clean data-base of rare sightings that any RBC strives for.
    
    Put another way, and putting the is it "countable" issue to one side, what does the average RBC provide that a well-reviewed eBird does not - or could not - especially if each RBC member put the same amount of time into reviewing eBird sightings
    
    Front-end Speed: In the meantime, let's get the information out as fast as possible - warts and all. Surely one accurate and fast Tropical Parula report is worth a lot of noise that must be subsequently cleaned out.
    
    I suggest that the very same unfiltered front-end that allows the noise also encourages everyone to submit their rare bird sightings faster and more frequently than most of us ever do to the RBC. Indeed, every California RBC report seems to contain notes of sightings for which they have not received a single report. I'm willing to bet that on eBird the average rare bird gets a lot more data submitted than ever gets sent to the RBC, so there is a lot more evidence for the reviewers to consider.
    
    It has been noted that not everyone is yet a member of eBird. OK, so until eBird is truly universal, provide an RBC-like portal - just to capture their reports.
    
    Another benefit of migrating RBC's to eBird is that eBird provides a degree of national consistency, for example, in the treatment of introduced birds, information required for inclusion, data base management, etc.
    
    eBird is by no means perfect, so pointing out where it currently does not fully replace RBC's is fair game, but surely it should/can be adjusted.
    
    Bruce Barrett
    San Jose, CA
    
    On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 6:02 PM, Jim Lomax sdrib@... [CALBIRDS] < CALBIRDS-noreply@yahoogroups. com > wrote:
      Considering the huge number of erroneous ebird reports, some even documented with photos, from people either too lazy or don’t care enough to study a bird guide but don’t mind asking for someone else to identify their birds, I think having a panel of knowledgeable people to sort through all the “claims" would keep the birding in California a lot more credible than ebird.
    
    Jim Lomax
    From No Particular Place
    
    On Jan 16, 2018, at 5:41 PM, Gjon Hazard gjon_hazard@... [CALBIRDS] < CALBIRDS-noreply@yahoogroups. com > wrote:
    
    At the risk of being branded a heretic (again), I wonder if Bird Records Committees are still relevant in the age of eBird
    
    -Gjon
    San Diego County
    
     
    
     
    
     
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  11. Re: [CALBIRDS] Are Regional/County Listservs Still Relevant? [a bit long] LINK
    DATE: Jan 16, 2018 @ 7:56pm, 4 day(s) ago
    My .02:
    
    I am in favor of all sorts of information. More, not less. Different
    
    formats work for different people. I find the search function of eBird
    
    more helpful than Yahoo groups, but I also find the phone app clunky and
    
    prefer to take written field notes and do my eBird report later. When it
    
    comes to information, as long as accuracy is there, I think variety is
    
    good.
    
    I find that listservs often are overly censorious when dealing with
    
    newbies and newcomers to specific areas. It is possible, in theory, to
    
    correct an error without making the person never, ever want to report a
    
    bird again.
    
    I am, however, extremely frustrated with the eBird reviewer unspoken
    
    requirement that one must have an expensive camera or be a member of the
    
    local ruling cabal to have records of anything even very slightly out of
    
    the ordinary accepted.
    
    Kyri Freeman
    
    Barstow, CA
    
    > Do not eliminate the list-serves and improve the quality of eBirds. I am
    
    > not in favor of eBird reviewers being forced to accept photo records when
    
    > they cannot confirm those photos were even taken in the location in the
    
    > record. If they question the submitter and there is no response that
    
    > record should be eliminated. We should never replace the state record
    
    > committees under any circumstances.
    
    > Leonie Batkin
    
    >
    
    > Sent from my iPhone
    
    >
    
    >> On Jan 16, 2018, at 7:15 PM, Jim Lomax sdrib@... [CALBIRDS]
    
    >> < CALBIRDS-noreply@yahoogroups.com > wrote:
    
    >>
    
    >> The question is: Should ebird replace the California Records Committee
    
    >> The answer is firmly NO.
    
    >>
    
    >>
    
    >> All this other discussion is nice and Iâm glad things are improving. I
    
    >> hope it works out.
    
    >>
    
    >> Jim
    
    >>
    
    >>> On Jan 16, 2018, at 7:08 PM, Brian Sullivan < heraldpetrel@... >
    
    >>> wrote:
    
    >>>
    
    >>> Hi All,
    
    >>>
    
    >>> As someone who has worked closely with the eBird team since 2005, I can
    
    >>> assure you that we, and everyone at the Lab, greatly value the work
    
    >>> done by regional bird records committees. The stringent review process
    
    >>> employed by records committees is perfect for consideration of very
    
    >>> important records, and eBird policy is to adhere to these finalized
    
    >>> decisions. The bird records committee process is also highly valuable
    
    >>> in situations where the details and evidence aren't exactly a 'slam
    
    >>> dunk', and a more thoughtful and careful committee-based review
    
    >>> decision is necessary. If there are great photos of an easily
    
    >>> identified rarity (e.g., adult Ross's Gull etc.), eBird provisionally
    
    >>> accepts the record pending formal acceptance by the relevant bird
    
    >>> records committee. This allows the information to get out there in a
    
    >>> broader way to the community of people looking to eBird for rare bird
    
    >>> information.. eBird's nearly 3000 global data reviewers work tirelessly
    
    >>> and often thanklessly on a volunteer basis. We greatly appreciate all
    
    >>> their hard work, input, and commitment to the project--without them,
    
    >>> eBird would cease to exist..
    
    >>>
    
    >>> One thing worth pointing out is that the eBird review process is always
    
    >>> evolving, and hopefully becoming more refined over time. It strives to
    
    >>> achieve a high level of accuracy in the data while balancing a number
    
    >>> of other considerations, not least of which being scale and usability.
    
    >>> With more than 10 million records a month passing through eBird, the
    
    >>> time is near for a complete overhaul of the way the review process
    
    >>> works. Look for continued improvements in the next 12-18 months on this
    
    >>> front. For now, you can read about how the review process works on
    
    >>> eBird here:
    
    >>>
    
    >>> http://help.ebird.org/customer/portal/articles/1055676
    
    >>>
    
    >>> It ain't perfect, that's for sure. But we're working to improve it
    
    >>> every day.
    
    >>>
    
    >>> Thanks
    
    >>>
    
    >>> Brian
    
    >>>
    
    >>>> On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 6:40 PM, Bruce Barrett coddler@...
    
    >>>> [CALBIRDS] < CALBIRDS-noreply@yahoogroups.com > wrote:
    
    >>>>
    
    >>>>
    
    >>>> Perhaps you are mixing two objectives Jim.
    
    >>>>
    
    >>>> Long-term accuracy: The eBird review system aims at producing the same
    
    >>>> clean data-base of rare sightings that any RBC strives for.
    
    >>>>
    
    >>>> Put another way, and putting the is it "countable" issue to one side,
    
    >>>> what does the average RBC provide that a well-reviewed eBird does not
    
    >>>> - or could not - especially if each RBC member put the same amount of
    
    >>>> time into reviewing eBird sightings
    
    >>>>
    
    >>>> Front-end Speed: In the meantime, let's get the information out as
    
    >>>> fast as possible - warts and all. Surely one accurate and fast
    
    >>>> Tropical Parula report is worth a lot of noise that must be
    
    >>>> subsequently cleaned out.
    
    >>>>
    
    >>>> I suggest that the very same unfiltered front-end that allows the
    
    >>>> noise also encourages everyone to submit their rare bird sightings
    
    >>>> faster and more frequently than most of us ever do to the RBC. Indeed,
    
    >>>> every California RBC report seems to contain notes of sightings for
    
    >>>> which they have not received a single report. I'm willing to bet that
    
    >>>> on eBird the average rare bird gets a lot more data submitted than
    
    >>>> ever gets sent to the RBC, so there is a lot more evidence for the
    
    >>>> reviewers to consider.
    
    >>>>
    
    >>>> It has been noted that not everyone is yet a member of eBird. OK, so
    
    >>>> until eBird is truly universal, provide an RBC-like portal - just to
    
    >>>> capture their reports.
    
    >>>>
    
    >>>> Another benefit of migrating RBC's to eBird is that eBird provides a
    
    >>>> degree of national consistency, for example, in the treatment of
    
    >>>> introduced birds, information required for inclusion, data base
    
    >>>> management, etc.
    
    >>>>
    
    >>>> eBird is by no means perfect, so pointing out where it currently does
    
    >>>> not fully replace RBC's is fair game, but surely it should/can be
    
    >>>> adjusted.
    
    >>>>
    
    >>>> Bruce Barrett
    
    >>>> San Jose, CA
    
    >>>>
    
    >>>>
    
    >>>>
    
    >>>>> On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 6:02 PM, Jim Lomax sdrib@...
    
    >>>>> [CALBIRDS] < CALBIRDS-noreply@yahoogroups.com > wrote:
    
    >>>>>
    
    >>>>> Considering the huge number of erroneous ebird reports, some even
    
    >>>>> documented with photos, from people either too lazy or donât care
    
    >>>>> enough to study a bird guide but donât mind asking for someone else
    
    >>>>> to identify their birds, I think having a panel of knowledgeable
    
    >>>>> people to sort through all the âclaims" would keep the birding in
    
    >>>>> California a lot more credible than ebird.
    
    >>>>>
    
    >>>>>
    
    >>>>> Jim Lomax
    
    >>>>> From No Particular Place
    
    >>>>>
    
    >>>>>
    
    >>>>>
    
    >>>>>> On Jan 16, 2018, at 5:41 PM, Gjon Hazard gjon_hazard@...
    
    >>>>>> [CALBIRDS] < CALBIRDS-noreply@yahoogroups.com > wrote:
    
    >>>>>>
    
    >>>>>> At the risk of being branded a heretic (again), I wonder if Bird
    
    >>>>>> Records Committees are still relevant in the age of eBird
    
    >>>>>>
    
    >>>>>> -Gjon
    
    >>>>>> San Diego County
    
    >>>>>>
    
    >>
    
    >>
    
    >
    
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  13. Re: [CALBIRDS] Are Regional/County Listservs Still Relevant? [a bit long] LINK
    DATE: Jan 16, 2018 @ 7:32pm, 4 day(s) ago
    Do not eliminate the list-serves and improve the quality of eBirds.I am not in favor of eBird reviewers being forced to accept photo records when they cannot confirm those photos were even taken in the location in the record.If they question the submitter and there is no response that record should be eliminated.We should never replace the state record committees under any circumstances.
    
    Leonie Batkin
    
    Sent from my iPhone
    
    On Jan 16, 2018, at 7:15 PM, Jim Lomax sdrib@... [CALBIRDS] < CALBIRDS-noreply@yahoogroups.com > wrote:
    
     The question is: Should ebird replace the California Records Committee The answer is firmly NO.
    
    All this other discussion is nice and I’m glad things are improving. I hope it works out.
    
    Jim
    
    On Jan 16, 2018, at 7:08 PM, Brian Sullivan < heraldpetrel@... > wrote:
    
    Hi All,
    
    As someone who has worked closely with the eBird team since 2005, I can assure you that we, and everyone at the Lab, greatly value the work done by regional bird records committees. The stringent review process employed by records committees is perfect for consideration of very important records, and eBird policy is to adhere to these finalized decisions. The bird records committee process is also highly valuable in situations where the details and evidence aren't exactly a 'slam dunk', and a more thoughtful and careful committee-based review decision is necessary. If there are great photos of an easily identified rarity (e.g., adult Ross's Gull etc.), eBird provisionally accepts the record pending formal acceptance by the relevant bird records committee. This allows the information to get out there in a broader way to the community of people looking to eBird for rare bird information. eBird's nearly 3000 global data reviewers work tirelessly and often thanklessly on a volunteer basis. We greatly appreciate all their hard work, input, and commitment to the project--without them, eBird would cease to exist.
    
    One thing worth pointing out is that the eBird review process is always evolving, and hopefully becoming more refined over time. It strives to achieve a high level of accuracy in the data while balancing a number of other considerations, not least of which being scale and usability. With more than 10 million records a month passing through eBird, the time is near for a complete overhaul of the way the review process works. Look for continued improvements in the next 12-18 months on this front. For now, you can read about how the review process works on eBird here:
    
    http://help.ebird.org/customer/portal/articles/1055676
    
    It ain't perfect, that's for sure. But we're working to improve it every day.
    
    Thanks
    
    Brian
    
    On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 6:40 PM, Bruce Barrett coddler@... [CALBIRDS] < CALBIRDS-noreply@yahoogroups.com > wrote:
    
    
    
    Perhaps you are mixing two objectives Jim.
    
    Long-term accuracy: The eBird review system aims at producing the same clean data-base of rare sightings that any RBC strives for.
    
    Put another way, and putting the is it "countable" issue to one side, what does the average RBC provide that a well-reviewed eBird does not - or could not - especially if each RBC member put the same amount of time into reviewing eBird sightings
    
    Front-end Speed: In the meantime, let's get the information out as fast as possible - warts and all. Surely one accurate and fast Tropical Parula report is worth a lot of noise that must be subsequently cleaned out.
    
    I suggest that the very same unfiltered front-end that allows the noise also encourages everyone to submit their rare bird sightings faster and more frequently than most of us ever do to the RBC. Indeed, every California RBC report seems to contain notes of sightings for which they have not received a single report. I'm willing to bet that on eBird the average rare bird gets a lot more data submitted than ever gets sent to the RBC, so there is a lot more evidence for the reviewers to consider.
    
    It has been noted that not everyone is yet a member of eBird. OK, so until eBird is truly universal, provide an RBC-like portal - just to capture their reports.
    
    Another benefit of migrating RBC's to eBird is that eBird provides a degree of national consistency, for example, in the treatment of introduced birds, information required for inclusion, data base management, etc.
    
    eBird is by no means perfect, so pointing out where it currently does not fully replace RBC's is fair game, but surely it should/can be adjusted.
    
    Bruce Barrett
    San Jose, CA
    
    On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 6:02 PM, Jim Lomax sdrib@... [CALBIRDS] < CALBIRDS-noreply@yahoogroups. com > wrote:
    
     Considering the huge number of erroneous ebird reports, some even documented with photos, from people either too lazy or don’t care enough to study a bird guide but don’t mind asking for someone else to identify their birds, I think having a panel of knowledgeable people to sort through all the “claims" would keep the birding in California a lot more credible than ebird.
    
    Jim Lomax
    From No Particular Place
    
    On Jan 16, 2018, at 5:41 PM, Gjon Hazard gjon_hazard@... [CALBIRDS] < CALBIRDS-noreply@yahoogroups. com > wrote:
    
    At the risk of being branded a heretic (again), I wonder if Bird Records Committees are still relevant in the age of eBird
    
    -Gjon
    San Diego County
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  15. Re: [CALBIRDS] Are Regional/County Listservs Still Relevant? [a bit long] LINK
    DATE: Jan 16, 2018 @ 7:15pm, 4 day(s) ago
    The question is: Should ebird replace the California Records Committee The answer is firmly NO.
    
    All this other discussion is nice and I’m glad things are improving. I hope it works out.
    
    Jim
    
    On Jan 16, 2018, at 7:08 PM, Brian Sullivan < heraldpetrel@... > wrote:
    
    Hi All,
    
    As someone who has worked closely with the eBird team since 2005, I can assure you that we, and everyone at the Lab, greatly value the work done by regional bird records committees. The stringent review process employed by records committees is perfect for consideration of very important records, and eBird policy is to adhere to these finalized decisions. The bird records committee process is also highly valuable in situations where the details and evidence aren't exactly a 'slam dunk', and a more thoughtful and careful committee-based review decision is necessary. If there are great photos of an easily identified rarity (e.g., adult Ross's Gull etc.), eBird provisionally accepts the record pending formal acceptance by the relevant bird records committee. This allows the information to get out there in a broader way to the community of people looking to eBird for rare bird information. eBird's nearly 3000 global data reviewers work tirelessly and often thanklessly on a volunteer basis. We greatly appreciate all their hard work, input, and commitment to the project--without them, eBird would cease to exist.
    
    One thing worth pointing out is that the eBird review process is always evolving, and hopefully becoming more refined over time. It strives to achieve a high level of accuracy in the data while balancing a number of other considerations, not least of which being scale and usability. With more than 10 million records a month passing through eBird, the time is near for a complete overhaul of the way the review process works. Look for continued improvements in the next 12-18 months on this front. For now, you can read about how the review process works on eBird here:
    
    http://help.ebird.org/customer/portal/articles/1055676
    
    It ain't perfect, that's for sure. But we're working to improve it every day.
    
    Thanks
    
    Brian
    
    On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 6:40 PM, Bruce Barrett coddler@... [CALBIRDS] < CALBIRDS-noreply@yahoogroups.com > wrote:
    
    
    
    Perhaps you are mixing two objectives Jim.
    
    Long-term accuracy: The eBird review system aims at producing the same clean data-base of rare sightings that any RBC strives for.
    
    Put another way, and putting the is it "countable" issue to one side, what does the average RBC provide that a well-reviewed eBird does not - or could not - especially if each RBC member put the same amount of time into reviewing eBird sightings
    
    Front-end Speed: In the meantime, let's get the information out as fast as possible - warts and all. Surely one accurate and fast Tropical Parula report is worth a lot of noise that must be subsequently cleaned out.
    
    I suggest that the very same unfiltered front-end that allows the noise also encourages everyone to submit their rare bird sightings faster and more frequently than most of us ever do to the RBC. Indeed, every California RBC report seems to contain notes of sightings for which they have not received a single report. I'm willing to bet that on eBird the average rare bird gets a lot more data submitted than ever gets sent to the RBC, so there is a lot more evidence for the reviewers to consider.
    
    It has been noted that not everyone is yet a member of eBird. OK, so until eBird is truly universal, provide an RBC-like portal - just to capture their reports.
    
    Another benefit of migrating RBC's to eBird is that eBird provides a degree of national consistency, for example, in the treatment of introduced birds, information required for inclusion, data base management, etc.
    
    eBird is by no means perfect, so pointing out where it currently does not fully replace RBC's is fair game, but surely it should/can be adjusted.
    
    Bruce Barrett
    San Jose, CA
    
    On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 6:02 PM, Jim Lomax sdrib@... [CALBIRDS] < CALBIRDS-noreply@yahoogroups. com > wrote:
    
     Considering the huge number of erroneous ebird reports, some even documented with photos, from people either too lazy or don’t care enough to study a bird guide but don’t mind asking for someone else to identify their birds, I think having a panel of knowledgeable people to sort through all the “claims" would keep the birding in California a lot more credible than ebird.
    
    Jim Lomax
    From No Particular Place
    
    On Jan 16, 2018, at 5:41 PM, Gjon Hazard gjon_hazard@... [CALBIRDS] < CALBIRDS-noreply@yahoogroups. com > wrote:
    
    At the risk of being branded a heretic (again), I wonder if Bird Records Committees are still relevant in the age of eBird
    
    -Gjon
    San Diego County
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  17. Re: [CALBIRDS] Are Regional/County Listservs Still Relevant? [a bit long] LINK
    DATE: Jan 16, 2018 @ 7:08pm, 4 day(s) ago
    Hi All,
    
    As someone who has worked closely with the eBird team since 2005, I can assure you that we, and everyone at the Lab, greatly value the work done by regional bird records committees. The stringent review process employed by records committees is perfect for consideration of very important records, and eBird policy is to adhere to these finalized decisions. The bird records committee process is also highly valuable in situations where the details and evidence aren't exactly a 'slam dunk', and a more thoughtful and careful committee-based review decision is necessary. If there are great photos of an easily identified rarity (e.g., adult Ross's Gull etc.), eBird provisionally accepts the record pending formal acceptance by the relevant bird records committee. This allows the information to get out there in a broader way to the community of people looking to eBird for rare bird information. eBird's nearly 3000 global data reviewers work tirelessly and often thanklessly on a volunteer basis. We greatly appreciate all their hard work, input, and commitment to the project--without them, eBird would cease to exist.
    
    One thing worth pointing out is that the eBird review process is always evolving, and hopefully becoming more refined over time. It strives to achieve a high level of accuracy in the data while balancing a number of other considerations, not least of which being scale and usability. With more than 10 million records a month passing through eBird, the time is near for a complete overhaul of the way the review process works. Look for continued improvements in the next 12-18 months on this front. For now, you can read about how the review process works on eBird here:
    
    http://help.ebird.org/customer/portal/articles/1055676
    
    It ain't perfect, that's for sure. But we're working to improve it every day.
    
    Thanks
    
    Brian
    
    On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 6:40 PM, Bruce Barrett coddler@... [CALBIRDS] < CALBIRDS-noreply@yahoogroups.com > wrote:
    
      Perhaps you are mixing two objectives Jim.
    
    Long-term accuracy: The eBird review system aims at producing the same clean data-base of rare sightings that any RBC strives for.
    
    Put another way, and putting the is it "countable" issue to one side, what does the average RBC provide that a well-reviewed eBird does not - or could not - especially if each RBC member put the same amount of time into reviewing eBird sightings
    
    Front-end Speed: In the meantime, let's get the information out as fast as possible - warts and all. Surely one accurate and fast Tropical Parula report is worth a lot of noise that must be subsequently cleaned out.
    
    I suggest that the very same unfiltered front-end that allows the noise also encourages everyone to submit their rare bird sightings faster and more frequently than most of us ever do to the RBC. Indeed, every California RBC report seems to contain notes of sightings for which they have not received a single report. I'm willing to bet that on eBird the average rare bird gets a lot more data submitted than ever gets sent to the RBC, so there is a lot more evidence for the reviewers to consider.
    
    It has been noted that not everyone is yet a member of eBird. OK, so until eBird is truly universal, provide an RBC-like portal - just to capture their reports.
    
    Another benefit of migrating RBC's to eBird is that eBird provides a degree of national consistency, for example, in the treatment of introduced birds, information required for inclusion, data base management, etc.
    
    eBird is by no means perfect, so pointing out where it currently does not fully replace RBC's is fair game, but surely it should/can be adjusted.
    
    Bruce Barrett
    San Jose, CA
    
    On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 6:02 PM, Jim Lomax sdrib@... [CALBIRDS] < CALBIRDS-noreply@yahoogroups. com > wrote:
    
      Considering the huge number of erroneous ebird reports, some even documented with photos, from people either too lazy or don’t care enough to study a bird guide but don’t mind asking for someone else to identify their birds, I think having a panel of knowledgeable people to sort through all the “claims" would keep the birding in California a lot more credible than ebird.
    
    Jim Lomax
    From No Particular Place
    
    On Jan 16, 2018, at 5:41 PM, Gjon Hazard gjon_hazard@... [CALBIRDS] < CALBIRDS-noreply@yahoogroups. com > wrote:
    
    At the risk of being branded a heretic (again), I wonder if Bird Records Committees are still relevant in the age of eBird
    
    -Gjon
    San Diego County
    
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    www.ebird.org
    
    Photo Editor
    Birds of North America Online
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  19. Re: [CALBIRDS] Are Regional/County Listservs Still Relevant? [a bit long] LINK
    DATE: Jan 16, 2018 @ 6:40pm, 4 day(s) ago
    Perhaps you are mixing two objectives Jim.
    
    Long-term accuracy: The eBird review system aims at producing the same clean data-base of rare sightings that any RBC strives for.
    
    Put another way, and putting the is it "countable" issue to one side, what does the average RBC provide that a well-reviewed eBird does not - or could not - especially if each RBC member put the same amount of time into reviewing eBird sightings
    
    Front-end Speed: In the meantime, let's get the information out as fast as possible - warts and all. Surely one accurate and fast Tropical Parula report is worth a lot of noise that must be subsequently cleaned out.
    
    I suggest that the very same unfiltered front-end that allows the noise also encourages everyone to submit their rare bird sightings faster and more frequently than most of us ever do to the RBC. Indeed, every California RBC report seems to contain notes of sightings for which they have not received a single report. I'm willing to bet that on eBird the average rare bird gets a lot more data submitted than ever gets sent to the RBC, so there is a lot more evidence for the reviewers to consider.
    
    It has been noted that not everyone is yet a member of eBird. OK, so until eBird is truly universal, provide an RBC-like portal - just to capture their reports.
    
    Another benefit of migrating RBC's to eBird is that eBird provides a degree of national consistency, for example, in the treatment of introduced birds, information required for inclusion, data base management, etc.
    
    eBird is by no means perfect, so pointing out where it currently does not fully replace RBC's is fair game, but surely it should/can be adjusted.
    
    Bruce Barrett
    San Jose, CA
    
    On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 6:02 PM, Jim Lomax sdrib@... [CALBIRDS] < CALBIRDS-noreply@yahoogroups.com > wrote:
    
      Considering the huge number of erroneous ebird reports, some even documented with photos, from people either too lazy or don’t care enough to study a bird guide but don’t mind asking for someone else to identify their birds, I think having a panel of knowledgeable people to sort through all the “claims" would keep the birding in California a lot more credible than ebird.
    
    Jim Lomax
    From No Particular Place
    
    On Jan 16, 2018, at 5:41 PM, Gjon Hazard gjon_hazard@... [CALBIRDS] < CALBIRDS-noreply@yahoogroups. com > wrote:
    
    At the risk of being branded a heretic (again), I wonder if Bird Records Committees are still relevant in the age of eBird
    
    -Gjon
    San Diego County
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  21. Re: Orange County Tropical Parula trips LINK
    DATE: Jan 10, 2018 @ 3:18pm, 10 day(s) ago
    Birders,
    
    Response to the Tropical Parula trips has been overwhelming and we have far exceeded our allowable trip capacity. Please do not send any more emails at this time. If you did not get to send an email to request a spot for this weekend, you will hopefully be able to try again next weekend. We will provide an update probably around mid-week again when we know if the property will allow more trips next weekend, and if so, "the request line" will be opened again. 
    
    We will send out emails this evening or  tomorrow  to those who have spots reserved. We will also send out emails to those who do not have spots reserved but will be placed on a wait list. If additional trips are opened or there are cancellations, people will be contacted from the wait list. If you don't make it this time, please understand the extraordinary situation that we are in that birders are being allowed to come in to begin with, and please wait to hear if there will be more opportunities in the future.
    
    Even though everybody knows it, I feel I cannot stress enough and so will continue to do so that if you have been told where this bird is and you are not part of one of these groups, please do not jeopardize future access by going on your own. The last thing I want to have to do is say that future access has been shut down because birders were caught without permission on the property.
    
    Thanks for your understanding, and we hope to be able to provide more opportunities next week, although this will of course be up to the property and its willingness to continue to accommodate people.
    
    Ryan Winkleman
    Rancho Santa Margarita
    
    On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 9:39 AM, Ryan Winkleman < rswinkleman@... > wrote:
    Birders,
    
    Access to see the Tropical Parula in Huntington Beach has been granted on a limited basis. The property manager would like to take access one weekend at a time and at this time it will only be on weekends. Future access will likely depend on behavior of the birders and tolerance by the residents.
    
    The first round of visits will be this weekend (in a few days). If you are interested in trying for the parula, please send an email to  OCTRPA@...  (OCTRPA at gmail dot com). Please do NOT reply directly to this post or email me personally. Please include in your email if you are available Saturday, Sunday, or both. Flexibility will obviously be a bonus as the specific date and time of each trip will be based on the responses we receive. Jeff Bray or I will respond privately with meeting details, including the specific meeting time and location, until we run out of trip capacity; I don't expect that it will take long to fill up the available slots. Because of the sensitivity of the situation and the guidelines that have been currently worked out with the property, we will not be posting any of these details online.
    
    Again, if you know where the bird is, please do not enter the property unless you are part of these groups. Several local SoCal birders worked very hard to make this happen and we do not want it to end prematurely because somebody decided to not play by the rules and sneak in.
    
    Please also refer to Tom Benson's post this morning regarding how to deal with this bird in eBird and on photo-sharing websites: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/ groups/OrangeCountyBirding/ conversations/messages/12454 . All it takes is one person to end access for everybody. *Do not be that person.*
    
    Thanks.
    
    Ryan Winkleman, Rancho Santa Margarita
    Jeff Bray, Irvine
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  23. Re: [CALBIRDS] Orange County Tropical Parula trips LINK
    DATE: Jan 10, 2018 @ 11:11am, 10 day(s) ago
    Advice from afar. Bringing something for the people setting this up-a bird book, a gift card for Starbucks creates a lot of good will
    DS
    In Anchorage
    
    Sent from my iPhone
    
    On Jan 10, 2018, at 8:39 AM, Ryan Winkleman rswinkleman@... [CALBIRDS] < CALBIRDS-noreply@yahoogroups.com > wrote:
    
     Birders,
    
    Access to see the Tropical Parula in Huntington Beach has been granted on a limited basis. The property manager would like to take access one weekend at a time and at this time it will only be on weekends. Future access will likely depend on behavior of the birders and tolerance by the residents.
    
    The first round of visits will be this weekend (in a few days). If you are interested in trying for the parula, please send an email to OCTRPA@...(OCTRPA at gmail dot com). Please do NOT reply directly to this post or email me personally. Please include in your email if you are available Saturday, Sunday, or both. Flexibility will obviously be a bonus as the specific date and time of each trip will be based on the responses we receive.. Jeff Bray or I will respond privately with meeting details, including the specific meeting time and location, until we run out of trip capacity; I don't expect that it will take long to fill up the available slots. Because of the sensitivity of the situation and the guidelines that have been currently worked out with the property, we will not be posting any of these details online.
    
    Again, if you know where the bird is, please do not enter the property unless you are part of these groups. Several local SoCal birders worked very hard to make this happen and we do not want it to end prematurely because somebody decided to not play by the rules and sneak in.
    
    Please also refer to Tom Benson's post this morning regarding how to deal with this bird in eBird and on photo-sharing websites: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/OrangeCountyBirding/conversations/messages/12454 . All it takes is one person to end access for everybody. *Do not be that person.*
    
    Thanks.
    
    Ryan Winkleman, Rancho Santa Margarita
    Jeff Bray, Irvine
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  25. Orange County Tropical Parula trips LINK
    DATE: Jan 10, 2018 @ 9:39am, 10 day(s) ago
    Birders,
    
    Access to see the Tropical Parula in Huntington Beach has been granted on a limited basis. The property manager would like to take access one weekend at a time and at this time it will only be on weekends. Future access will likely depend on behavior of the birders and tolerance by the residents.
    
    The first round of visits will be this weekend (in a few days). If you are interested in trying for the parula, please send an email to  OCTRPA@...  (OCTRPA at gmail dot com). Please do NOT reply directly to this post or email me personally. Please include in your email if you are available Saturday, Sunday, or both. Flexibility will obviously be a bonus as the specific date and time of each trip will be based on the responses we receive. Jeff Bray or I will respond privately with meeting details, including the specific meeting time and location, until we run out of trip capacity; I don't expect that it will take long to fill up the available slots. Because of the sensitivity of the situation and the guidelines that have been currently worked out with the property, we will not be posting any of these details online.
    
    Again, if you know where the bird is, please do not enter the property unless you are part of these groups. Several local SoCal birders worked very hard to make this happen and we do not want it to end prematurely because somebody decided to not play by the rules and sneak in.
    
    Please also refer to Tom Benson's post this morning regarding how to deal with this bird in eBird and on photo-sharing websites: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/OrangeCountyBirding/conversations/messages/12454 . All it takes is one person to end access for everybody. *Do not be that person.*
    
    Thanks.
    
    Ryan Winkleman, Rancho Santa Margarita
    Jeff Bray, Irvine
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  27. Huntington Beach Tropical Parula update - part 1 LINK
    DATE: Jan 10, 2018 @ 8:59am, 10 day(s) ago
    Hello birders,
    
    The managers of the apartment complex have graciously allowed very limited access to their property for organized groups of birders to look for the parula. Ryan Winkleman will be sending out more details on that shortly. One of the conditions of this access is that the specific location/address of the apartment complex not be publicized. To that end, we encourage observers of the bird (past and future) to use the following guidelines when sharing photos or entering eBird checklists.
    
    1. If you post photos on photo-sharing or social media websites (Flickr, Facebook, etc.), ensure that you remove any location metadata before posting photos on these sites. Many cameras today record the exact lat/long where the photo was taken and embed that information in the image file. If you're not sure if your camera does that, or you don't know how to remove the location metadata, please refrain from sharing photos on these sites.
    
    2. If you enter a checklist for eBird, do not enter it using the mobile app and do not use a personal location. Wait until you get home, enter it on your computer, and use the "stakeout Tropical Parula--Huntington Beach 2018" hotspot. It is located near the intersection of Goldenwest and Yorktown (it was just created, so may not show up until tomorrow; please be patient). Since eBird strips the metadata from image files before displaying them on checklists or the Macaulay Library, it is not necessary to remove location metadata before uploading photos to eBird.
    
    Thank you for your cooperation.
    
    Tom Benson
    San Bernardino, CA
    (and eBird reviewer for Orange County)
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  29. Orange County Tropical Parula access LINK
    DATE: Jan 7, 2018 @ 7:53pm, 13 day(s) ago
    I realize this is a double-post; I was notified that sometimes when posting to local listservs and CalBirds in the same email, the CalBirds message may not go to Sialia, which it appears is the case here. I'm reposting my exact message from earlier and deleting the original simply so it will hopefully show up on Sialia this time and more people can see this update.
    
    ___________
    
    We are continuing to attempt to gain official access for birders to see the Tropical Parula in Huntington Beach, which is on private property. After explaining the significance of the finding to the property's representative, there appears to be a decent chance that *controlled* groups of birders *with prior permission from the property management* may be allowed to continue to see the bird in the future. Birders who do not have this permission and who are not part of these organized groups will not be tolerated on the property and may affect future access for all birders. 
    
    We do not know what the timeline for this decision will be, but information about the bird and the desire for future access has been sent to the property manager already, and we will provide an update when we have one. If you happen to know the location of the bird, we ask that you please do not attempt to enter the complex without permission, as this may affect the property manager's decision about future access.
    
    If you use eBird, please do not post the bird at this time. Given the sensitivity of the situation, our Orange County team is still evaluating the best approach to take, and we will provide an update when we decide what that is.
    
    Thanks for your understanding and cooperation as we attempt to make this happen.
    
    Ryan Winkleman
    Rancho Santa Margarita, Orange County
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